Kratom is pretty damn mild, about as strong as a 5 mg hydrocodone. If you develop a habit stopping should not be that much of a problem. If you feel out of sorts for a few days just use low doses of etizolam to chill out until it passes.

Does Kratom or etizolam show up on a drug test? I am on Probation and the last thing I need is a hot U/A, almost at the halfway point, and from my understanding they consider you for early release if you have had no issues that far along in the process

Kratom: no. Etizolam: yes.

My order was in my box when I got home, THAT WAS FAST AS HELL!!
wow, I must say I am impressed with shipping times!!

So my dilemma is this: I don’t have a scale, can anyone recommend how to dose this out with a tablespoon  or teaspoon?

Call it 1.5grams/teaspoon, seems the average

Shipping times, yes, when folks need their kratom better damn well believe we need it fast lol

With all these deaths from opiates, Phillip seymor Hoffman this weekend, why is there not publicity for our sacred leaf????  If I was a vndr w/6 figures or more invested, I wouldn’t be able to resist !  Seems the perfect opportunity to push for the end persecution of our leaf. For GRAS status.

thank you,  4.5 grams PC Bali and 1 gram spf 2 enhanced down the chute, so far so good, I think I like this stuff, mellowed me right out, the back pain seem to be  going away and I am about to go play some music, where has this stuff been my whole life.

as far as the deaths, its a damn shame, 22 people in my local area alone recently… 

Its good that you’re taking plain leaf along with the extract, for the leafs antagonists. The extract has none I believe and can ruin tolly by itself. The plain leaf will blunt that process Some.

I stay away from extracts personally, use them wisely / sparingly & there’s no problem. Just an fyi from others experience.

::edit— had a brainfart, the enhanced is already a plainleaf combo, duh. But advice still stands to watch the tolerance with that one. I may have to try Some enhanced myself!

SPF2 is ‘lightly enhanced’ – probably like a gram of extract per ounce. Not too much to worry about tolerance wise – it just gives the plain leaf a bit of ‘zing’.

avoca, thanks for all the advice man, you have been extremely helpful, god I love this stuff!!! 

Going to be difficult not to use it multiple times a day lol, but I got it for pain relief so I am going to do my best to only use it for that, aaaand on Thursday nights when I DJ, I just love mixing down beats with this.

avoca, thanks for all the advice man, you have been extremely helpful, god I love this stuff!!! 

Going to be difficult not to use it multiple times a day lol, but I got it for pain relief so I am going to do my best to only use it for that, aaaand on Thursday nights when I DJ, I just love mixing down beats with this.

Just wanted to chime in again. If I use twice a day for a week I get terrible insomnia for 3-4 days if i stop. Like can’t get comfortable, can’t sleep for more than 30 minutes before I wake up and have to move around kinda sleep. I also start losing the warm fuzzies. Moderate your usage and you will enjoy your kratom a lot more.

I totally agree moderation   is the key to enjoying Kratom!

The fickleness turns out to be a positive for kratom in general as far as keeping the average drug seeker from abusing. Too much hassle for folks just wanting to "get high". Its much more of an entheogen, a helper, instead of fire hot super high liquid death. One has to have patience and a general need, in order to appreciate it over time, through its perturbations and manifications etc.  Great stuff indeed!  Been about 1 year of dailies for me. My new good friend for life I hope (if we’re allowed its usage ultimately, GRAS).

I hear you on the sleep issue. Mine is terrible. Im now at a point where I can sleep 4 hrs or so straight.  Taking valerian nightly now, melatonin some nights too. But between kratom and blends, my body laughs at sleep now, who needs sleep (me, yes please!). Definitely a  personal challenge lately, very true. But some say it helps their insomnia, strange…

I don’t have insomnia per se, but I can definitely confirm that a good red vein strain with more sedative style qualities helps me sleep like a rock.

My rule of thumb is simple – white vein or more energetic strains during the day, and good old red vein at night.

Also: with my body, kratom is STRONG. It’s one of the only opiates that works on me. I laugh at vicodin/norco. Doesn’t even touch me.

Kratom, on the other hand, effects me much like Fentanyl in potency/bioavailability.

Everybody’s body is different. Every strain is different. Kratom is fun with all the choices… but so easy for me to start a habit on. There’s a strain/mix for almost whatever mood I’m in.

I can’t buy kratom too often or I would be up to drinking 3 strong teas per day every day within the first week. LOL.

Just one minor correction, DI, so we don’t spread misinformation and peak Johnny Law’s interest regarding Kratom.

Kratom is not an opiate, rather it merely works with opiate receptors in the brain. If we incorrectly refer to Kratom as an opiate, then the prohibitionists are going to lump it right in there with heroin which would be a very bad deal for anyone that currently enjoys this remarkable plant.